Around the 3rd Lake and Interviewing Ngozumpa Birds are gliding on the same wind as I approach the top of this hill, white glacial rock, scrubby desert like plants, [whoo, breathing hard]. I’m entering almost like a saddle of sorts strung with prayer flags, natureculture is a prayer flag. And here I am overlooking Ngozumpa glacier [heaving breathing]. I can hear rock fall, drips, colors - bright blue, bright turquoise grayish green, white blue, grey, so much grey… [pause, sound of wind] …and then I wonder, can I talk to this glacier like I talked to Khumbu glacier? I guess I did that yesterday, traveling across it [the Ngozumpa]. This glacier barely gave me informed consent, this glacier said this is difficult, this is hot, this is terrifying for you to cross over [material-discursive language/communication].

It’s almost as if my embodied experience with the glacier indicated “look what you have done, human, look what you have done”. I have no emotions here like at Khumbu glacier. [Sound of falling rock, wind, heavy breathing]. The glacier is enacting what it does, it is just reacting [intra-acting]; reacting [intra-acting] to temperature, melting, moving. And that's...reacting [intra-acting] to all the other anthropogenic practices humans are doing on this planet. Glacier doesn't care. Glacier might melt, there will be no more water for humans after that, but what does it care? It's not like the glacier will work hand in hand with us. [sound of wind, breathing, crunchiness underfoot].

Like Khumbu glacier, there seem to be a lot of sadness, but perhaps that is my emotion. As I look up, I recall stories from mountaineers on Cho Oyu of Tibetan refugees who were shot and murdered on the pass right over there, [Nangpa La], by Chinese police (see Green, 2010). It was watched and witnessed by climbing expeditions. Some people reported to the world what happened, others were hesitant, they didn't want to lose permits. The continued melting of Himalayan glaciers will lead to refugees of another kind - the biopolitical refugees from melting Himalayan glacier [when entangled with political and cultural oppression these issues create more crisis].